Ted Bishop on Callaway Live [Sponsor Content]

Ted Bishop the 38th President of the PGA of America and Director of Golf at the Legends Golf Club dropped by the Callaway Live studios for the first stop on his book tour for his new book "Unfriended" which explores his time as the President of the PGA.

Sponsored by Callaway

Released on 6/6/2016

Credits

Starring: Harry Arnett

Transcript

00:00
Hey Ted, thanks again for being on the show.
00:03
I'm so excited to have you here.
00:05
I talked about the book that you just wrote.
00:07
It's gonna be great, and I read the book,
00:10
lot of people in there, and I just wanna make sure
00:13
there's no controversy on this show.
00:14
This is not that kind of show.
00:16
Really? It's a feel-good,
00:17
uplifting show, and a lot of the people that I know
00:20
that are in the book that you sort of crossed paths with,
00:23
I like these guys, and they're friends of mine.
00:25
They're people I look up to.
00:26
So just to stay clear of anybody that you've
00:31
kind of butted heads with or whatever over the years,
00:34
let's go ahead and just make a list of those people
00:36
and be sure not to mention them on the show,
00:38
if that's cool with you.
00:38
No, I'm good. Yeah, so go ahead.
00:39
Hey, it's your show. Okay, thanks.
00:47
(clock ticking)
01:00
Out of ink.
01:04
(clock ticking)
01:14
Oh, um, hey, I don't wanna rush you,
01:17
but kind of have a show to do here Ted,
01:19
you know, live show, no script,
01:21
what could possibly go wrong,
01:22
oh, and then I run, you know that whole deal?
01:24
I'm only on the Ns.
01:26
(laughs)
01:29
See you after the monologue.
01:34
(clock ticking)
01:39
(electronic music)
01:52
(audience applauds)
01:53
Hey, hey, whoa, did you guys see that?
01:55
(audience applauds)
01:57
How are you?
01:58
Good to see you.
02:00
There's some weird stuff going on back there.
02:03
Hey, thank you very much.
02:06
Thank you.
02:08
I heard three whoop whoops.
02:09
I don't know who was giving that, but thank you very much.
02:11
There was some weird stuff going on back there.
02:13
I don't know if you guys saw that.
02:14
This is Callaway Live, I'm Harry Arnett.
02:16
We have a great show for everyone tonight.
02:19
Ted Bishop is here, as you guys all know,
02:21
38th President of the PGA of America,
02:24
just wrote a book.
02:25
We're gonna talk to Ted in a little bit.
02:26
This is also a very big week, as we head into
02:30
the National Open or US Open.
02:32
Are you guys big fans of this whole process
02:33
where anybody can enter, no?
02:36
Did anybody try to qualify, anyone, no one?
02:39
AJ.
02:40
(laughs)
02:42
We have a bunch of crappy golfers in here?
02:45
Is that what I'm hearing?
02:46
Okay, well, it's a National Open.
02:48
Everybody could qualify, and you guys probably remember
02:50
last year that Johnny Rodriguez
02:54
tried to get the 2022 US Open at his house.
02:58
Do you guys remember that?
02:59
There's Johnny with Rodriquez National,
03:02
and even toughened the golf course up a little bit
03:06
so that, there it is.
03:09
This year, shockingly, he did not get the tournament,
03:12
but yeah, I know.
03:14
So, this year, he thought, okay, I'm gonna set
03:16
my standards a little bit lower.
03:17
I'm gonna try to get a Sectional championship.
03:18
So there he is.
03:19
This definitely looks Photoshopped to me.
03:22
I don't know about you guys.
03:23
Johnny looks very svelte, but he toughened
03:26
the golf course up there.
03:27
There you go.
03:30
I think that was that big gator.
03:31
Did anybody see that this week?
03:32
Did you see that Amanda, the giant gator?
03:34
Yes. That was not a real gator.
03:36
You came from Florida. Why doesn't somebody
03:37
get rid of him?
03:38
I don't know.
03:39
You should know how to deal with alligators in Florida.
03:43
So that was Johnny Rodriguez and I think that was probably
03:46
the last time we use that lame joke.
03:48
So, anyway, I'll tell you one thing that's not lame,
03:51
we have Ted Bishop on the show tonight.
03:52
So stick around, we'll be right back with Ted Bishop.
03:54
(audience applauds)
03:57
(electronic music)
04:08
Todd Firestone again with Callaway 30 Seconds to Better.
04:11
We're talking about the pitch shot right now,
04:13
right around the green.
04:14
My quick tip here, what I wanna share is I see
04:16
a lot of people again get real handsy with it,
04:19
and I wanna talk about making sure we get
04:21
some extension going back.
04:23
So instead of hugging myself going back,
04:25
I'm gonna try to make sure my right arm stays still
04:27
or clearly straight as I go back.
04:30
(pop music)
04:39
Oh, like an abrupt stop.
04:41
Alright.
04:42
(audience applauds)
04:43
Welcome back to Callaway Live, I'm Harry Arnett.
04:46
Our guest tonight.
04:48
Thank you.
04:49
Yeah, that's a rowdy crowd.
04:51
That's a rowdy crowd.
04:53
Roger Cleveland's been drinking tonight,
04:55
ladies and gentlemen.
04:56
(audience laughs)
04:58
Our guest tonight was the 38th President
05:01
of the PGA of America.
05:02
He just published his book.
05:06
It's called Unfriended.
05:07
I know we were talking about this earlier.
05:08
Do books drop?
05:09
Is that what they do?
05:10
Do you drop a book?
05:11
Well, you should if you didn't,
05:12
but his book dropped this week called Unfriended
05:15
about his life in golf, and spoiler alert,
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there's some controversy in the book,
05:21
and we're gonna talk about it a little bit tonight.
05:22
Please welcome to Callaway Live
05:24
our friend and guest, Mr. Ted Bishop.
05:26
(audience applauds)
05:32
No, you get the big hug.
05:33
Good to see you man. Thanks.
05:33
How are you? Thanks for having me.
05:34
Have a seat, have a seat.
05:36
(audience applauds)
05:42
Why so serious there, Ted, come on.
05:45
Well, we thought it was a good pose for the title.
05:48
I like the continuity that you have the same
05:51
exact socks and tie on that you have on the book tonight.
05:53
Did you guys notice that?
05:54
Yes.
05:55
I love that. Thank you.
05:57
So, everybody's probably thinking the same thing
06:00
I was when we said we were gonna have Ted on the show,
06:02
and I've seen you obviously since a lot of the stuff
06:04
in the book happened, but people like all of a sudden
06:07
Ted just kind of dropped off the face of the earth,
06:10
and now we know why.
06:10
You were writing a book.
06:12
Well, I hadn't really dropped off
06:14
the face of the earth.
06:15
I'd pretty much been at the Legends Golf Club,
06:17
seven days a week, 14 hours a day really diving back
06:20
into my business, and that felt good.
06:22
Yeah, you're scaling back a little bit,
06:23
seven days a week, 14 hours.
06:25
That's like a full year for Hashtag Chad.
06:27
(laughs)
06:28
I realized that, but, no, the book,
06:31
I started thinking about the book about a year ago
06:34
this time, Harry, and really didn't do the actual writing
06:37
until November, and knocked it out in about four months,
06:40
and it was, for me, maybe helped bring
06:44
a little bit of closure to the situation.
06:46
Is there like an angry version of the book
06:48
that's like we'll get to see, like it was left?
06:52
When you're writing it, obviously tons of emotions
06:54
going through this.
06:56
Did you enjoy the process of reliving a lot of the things
07:00
that are in the book?
07:01
Well I really did because I think the vast majority
07:03
of the book is just about stories of really pertinent
07:07
and historical events in golf that took place
07:09
during my time as an officer or President
07:11
of the PGA of America.
07:12
The first couple of chapters in the book
07:14
are about my impeachment and the circumstances
07:16
that I dealt with there,
07:18
but I wanted the book to be positive.
07:21
I mean, you read the book.
07:22
I mean, hopefully, you felt it was that way
07:24
when you got done with it.
07:25
I did.
07:26
I felt like, and for those of you who haven't read the book,
07:28
you should, I was a little surprised
07:31
'cause I sort of was like rolling up my sleeves.
07:33
Let's see what Ted has to say and you were,
07:36
as you mentioned, involved in so many high-profile,
07:40
very positive things for the game that I almost
07:43
felt like it was a little bit of a shame that
07:45
a lot people kind of think of you as like
07:46
the last 48 hours of your presidency.
07:49
Yeah, and I think. You probably do too.
07:51
Well, I do and I mean and I think that's,
07:54
I guess that's the part of it for me that will always
07:57
be hard to deal with, but history is what it is,
08:01
but I think one of the things I was really proud
08:04
with the book on, there's an appendix
08:07
at the end of the book, and about three weeks before
08:09
my time was up as President, I asked the PGA of America
08:12
to give me a detailed timeline and help me really
08:17
remember and define the things that we were able
08:20
to accomplish in 2013 and 2014, and they presented me
08:24
with a five-page, single-spaced document,
08:28
and it was, even to me who had lived it day in and day out,
08:31
it was overwhelming, really, to look at the whole thing,
08:35
and say, you know what, this was a pretty good body of work,
08:38
and I hope that as time goes by and history,
08:41
particularly PGA members look at my time as President,
08:44
I think it will be okay.
08:47
Well, what are some of the things that you're most
08:48
proud of when you look back at that time
08:51
that you were able to kind of be a catalyst
08:53
for helping to see come to fruition?
08:55
Well, I think for my presidency, things kind of
08:58
started out with the anchoring controversy,
08:59
and I think the position the PGA of America took
09:02
was a position, was very friendly
09:05
to the recreational amateur.
09:06
Our whole mantra was all about finding ways
09:10
that people could better enjoy the game,
09:12
and that's what that whole thing was about.
09:15
Naming Tom Watson as a Ryder Cup Captain,
09:17
to this day, remains as one of my proudest accomplishments.
09:21
I really enjoyed working with Tom for the two years
09:24
that he was a captain and no one did a better job
09:28
up to the Ryder Cup than Tom did,
09:30
and hey, we got beat by 35 shots in three days.
09:33
I don't care who the captain was.
09:35
You're not gonna reverse that trend,
09:36
but we had things like Drive, Chip, and Putt.
09:39
The PGA Junior League really took off during my tenure.
09:42
I coached my PGA Junior League teams at my facility.
09:45
I've enjoyed that, and to be a President that does
09:49
those things and talks about them, I think,
09:51
is really important.
09:51
We did the announcement on the KPMG PGL-PGA Championship.
09:56
We took two championships in a Ryder Cup
10:00
to public golf courses at Bethpage Black
10:02
and Harding Park in San Francisco.
10:04
It was a West Coast PGA Championship for the PGA,
10:07
which was a huge deal, and then I think one of the things
10:10
that I'm really proud of was the resurrection
10:13
of the relationship that the PGA of America had
10:15
with Arnold Palmer, and that kind of culminated
10:19
with the Deacon Palmer Award, which we named
10:22
after his father, and I felt that I was pretty
10:25
instrumental in bringing Mr. Palmer back
10:28
to a good place with the PGA of America and to not be
10:32
in Indianapolis at that annual meeting
10:34
when we presented Deacon Palmer posthumously
10:38
with that award and gave it to Arnold was probably
10:40
my biggest disappointment as President.
10:43
Yeah, there's in the book a great account that you had
10:47
when you guys went to see Mr. Palmer and tell him
10:51
that you were going to do this award and,
10:53
that has to be a memory that's right at the top
10:56
of anything that you've done in your career.
10:59
Well, it was and it's kind of a interesting story.
11:01
We kind of went in and the whole idea to go there
11:04
and talk to him about anchoring to begin with
11:06
was not to change his opinion.
11:09
He supported the USGA's position on anchoring.
11:11
I just, I wanted to explain to him why the PGA felt
11:13
that it did and did that in kind of a brief few minutes
11:17
and thought the meeting was over with, got up,
11:19
got ready to leave, he looked at us and he said,
11:21
What's your hurry?
11:22
Sit down, I've got something else
11:23
I wanna talk to you about, and he shook that finger at me,
11:26
and he said, I'm gonna tell you something about
11:27
the PGA of America that I'll bet you don't know,
11:30
and he proceeded to explain to me that he felt like
11:33
his father had been denied membership
11:36
into the PGA of America because he was handicapped,
11:39
and I knew that that was not the case.
11:41
The PGA of America had a Caucasian only clause that
11:44
didn't go away until 1960.
11:46
Women were not admitted into the PGA of America
11:48
until 1978.
11:50
Those were two things that we're not real proud of
11:52
in our history, but I knew that Mr. Palmer
11:55
didn't quite have this one correct,
11:57
but working with our membership department,
12:01
there was a considerable lag in when his dad
12:04
could become a member and when he actually did,
12:06
and I'm not so sure that maybe something did happen
12:09
at the local level that prevented him from becoming
12:12
a member when he should've, and the only thing to do
12:14
and to make this thing right was to create
12:16
this Deacon Palmer Award and the whole context
12:19
of the award was to give it to a PGA member
12:22
who has overcome some obstacles in their career,
12:28
who's not self-serving in any way,
12:30
who served their community and their club
12:34
and Deacon Palmer was the first perfect one
12:36
to receive the first award, for sure.
12:38
So all that you just mentioned, that whole timeline,
12:41
that's in a very short period of time as President.
12:44
I think, you weren't as a President for 10, 12 years.
12:48
That's in a very short timeline that you guys
12:51
accomplished all that stuff.
12:53
23 months, and it went by very quickly,
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and from my standpoint,
13:00
it was the greatest time in my life.
13:02
I had a week in the middle of the summer in 2014 where
13:07
I was in Scotland.
13:08
I stayed at Trump International, guest of Mr. Trump,
13:12
played in the Pro Am, the Scottish Open with Phil Mickelson
13:15
and the First Minister of Scotland.
13:18
That was on Wednesday, drove down to Gleneagles
13:22
on Saturday, met Tom down there, and Tom and Keegan Bradley
13:25
and I played at Gleneagles on Saturday.
13:28
Then Tom and Jim Furyk and I played on Sunday,
13:31
and for a guy like me who didn't play golf
13:35
in high school, who started out working
13:37
on a par three course in Northern Indiana,
13:40
to look at some of the experiences that I had
13:43
through the PGA of America is pretty incredible, really.
13:46
And you're an old greenskeeper.
13:47
So were you checking out the greens?
13:49
Still am. Hurt yourself.
13:50
As a matter of fact, we were talking before the show
13:52
and Ted's kind of limping around.
13:54
I was like, what happened.
13:55
He's the former President of the PGA.
13:56
He was like, I was pulling out an out-of-bound stake
13:58
on the mower and I slipped off the mower
14:00
and almost broke my ankle. True story.
14:03
Yeah, so you gotta get people that do that for you.
14:07
You know, I enjoy that.
14:08
I actually, it's been really kind of fun
14:10
to get back and work outside and lose a little bit of weight
14:13
and get in good shape.
14:14
Yeah, I don't know what that's like,
14:15
but that sounds like.
14:16
So you have a reputation obviously as being someone
14:19
that's very outspoken and even in your time,
14:23
we saw you as I mentioned when you first came in,
14:26
we saw you all over the place.
14:28
Have you always been that way?
14:29
Have you always been someone that sort of enjoyed
14:32
speaking your mind or shooting from the hip
14:34
or at least kind of speaking on issues?
14:37
Well, yeah, I've never been a person
14:41
who's had a problem taking a stand on issues.
14:45
I don't like it when people say I shoot from the hip
14:47
because it's like they.
14:49
Who says that?
14:50
(audience laughs) Well, they think
14:51
that I speak before I think, and that's not really the case,
14:56
but my time as President of the PGA of America,
14:59
you gotta remember we had just hired a new CEO
15:02
in Pete Bevacqua.
15:03
So we brought somebody in who had absolutely no
15:06
institutional knowledge or really any historical
15:08
background on the PGA of America,
15:10
it kind of put me in a role as President of the association
15:15
that no President had been in for quite a while.
15:18
Joe Steranka, the previous CEO, had worked
15:21
for the PGA of America for many years before he was hired.
15:23
So I became by the PGA of America's own direction,
15:29
kind of became the spokesman for the organization,
15:31
and there were a lot of things that we needed to change
15:34
Harry, in that short period of time.
15:36
I knew I was a short-timer, so to speak.
15:39
I wasn't afraid to make the tough calls
15:41
or give people some bad news because I really wanted to
15:46
kind of get things lined out for Pete
15:48
and for Derek Sprague, who was gonna come in
15:50
behind me as President.
15:51
So, if that meant that I had to be the bad guy
15:54
or do the dirty work at times, then that was just my role.
15:58
Well, from an outsider's perspective,
15:59
I mean a little bit of insider, obviously being at Callaway,
16:01
I thought the work that you did as President
16:03
and Pete as CEO together was some of the best work
16:06
we had seen in this industry for advancing a lot of
16:10
the things that you had talked about.
16:12
So you had to be
16:15
feeling really good about
16:17
the time that you had there leading up
16:20
until your impeachment.
16:22
Well, it was, and I think that you're right.
16:25
I think that Pete and I were a great team working together.
16:29
Our personalities were different.
16:31
I think our skillsets were different,
16:33
and we got a lot of things done because we did work together
16:37
and it wasn't just one guy.
16:39
It was the two of us and the people around us as well
16:42
that made some things happen, and I think that I really
16:45
prided myself in the team atmosphere so to speak
16:48
that we had at the PGA of America and that being said,
16:51
that's what was really kind of disappointing
16:53
for me, the way that things ended because
16:56
a lot of the people that I would've hoped
16:58
would've supported me in a moment of stupidity,
17:02
they didn't, but you know what, that's just,
17:04
that's the way it is.
17:06
The other person that I really should mention
17:10
is Tim Finchem because if there probably was the real
17:13
highlight of my presidency would've been resurrecting
17:17
the relationship that the PGA of America had
17:19
with the PGA Tour, and a lot of the people that are here
17:21
tonight probably don't understand that in 1968
17:25
the Tour split from the PGA of America,
17:27
and there was a pretty contentious relationship
17:29
that existed for decades and to Tim's credit,
17:34
right before I became President,
17:36
he and I had a one-on-one meeting, and he said,
17:38
Hey, we're getting ready to come into a new era
17:41
with new leadership on your end, and he said,
17:44
You know, if we work together,
17:46
the things that we can accomplish are unlimited,
17:49
and we really need to try to do that,
17:51
and we did and PGA Tour players are also members
17:54
of the PGA of America.
17:55
So they're my constituents and we accomplished
17:58
a lot of good things for both associations
18:01
and he's somebody that I have just a tremendous
18:04
amount of respect for.
18:05
Well, we're gonna talk a little bit more about
18:06
that right after this with Ted.
18:08
Don't go away, we'll be right back on Callaway Live.
18:11
(audience applauds)
18:13
(electronic music)
18:34
We have been picked up for season two of Callaway Live.
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This is Callaway Live.
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Wait for it, at the Forum.
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Welcome to our show, Adam Levine, Morgan Pressel.
18:49
Okay, let's take a quick snap for a selfie.
18:51
Evan Geiselman, he's dreaming, I'm dreaming.
18:54
Jimmy Dodd,
18:56
Doesn't that ease you?
18:57
Geoff Shackelford and Joe House, AKA (mumbles).
19:02
Watch show.
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No script.
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Phil Mickelson, what could possibly go wrong?
19:08
Let's say hello to Lydia Ko.
19:11
I love to listen to music.
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(record scratch)
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♫ Let me go
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♫ Let it go
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♫ Oh, (mumbles)
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♫ Let it go
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♫ Let me go
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Gonna put that right there if that's cool with you.
19:24
See how that one went straight,
19:26
then it's like inconsistent, you know?
19:28
That's gotta be frustrating.
19:29
Love this crowd.
19:31
You guys got any freebies?
19:32
A photographer has never really caught me
19:33
at the (mumbles).
19:34
You could use a little loving.
19:35
Are you playing for 2nd and 3rd here?
19:37
We're trying to win this thing.
19:38
Hashtag senior tour.
19:40
Are you the man in the new advertising campaigns or?
19:42
Only if we never wanna sell another golf ball ever again.
19:45
(laughs)
19:46
That's not funny.
19:48
(audience applauds)
19:51
Wow, what a bunch of highlights.
19:52
(audience applauds)
19:56
It is nice when you are responsible for putting together
19:59
your own highlight reel.
20:01
Don't you think?
20:02
It's a really nice thing.
20:03
Was it painful for you in the book?
20:05
You lead right off with the events
20:07
that happened at the very end into the impeachment.
20:10
Was it painful for you to kind of recount that?
20:13
You probably talked about it, every conversation
20:16
you have is probably about that these days,
20:18
but was it painful to kind of go through that again?
20:20
Yeah, it definitely was, and it still is today.
20:25
I'm always surprised, there will be nights that I wake up
20:27
at two or three o'clock in the morning
20:29
and for whatever reason I'm thinking about that.
20:32
Don't tweet it!
20:33
(laughs)
20:35
No, I know.
20:38
You're never too old to learn valuable lessons in life,
20:41
unfortunately.
20:42
In the book, there you are, you're in West Virginia
20:47
you're at Nick Faldo's house, and you're just having,
20:51
kind of.
20:52
Those of us that are on the internet, we know,
20:54
kind of how it works on Twitter.
20:55
There's a lot of the gloves come off
20:57
and a lot of claws start flying, but there you are
20:59
and you just send out what you think
21:01
is sort of just an innocuous kind of tweet
21:03
defending your friends, and then all hell breaks loose
21:06
over the next two or three days.
21:08
Yeah, that's exactly right.
21:10
Well, I think Harry, I guess I didn't really realize
21:14
how painful the Ryder Cup loss was for me.
21:19
Everybody put a lot of energy and strength
21:23
into it and obviously, it didn't turn out
21:25
the way we wanted, and it kind of kept building up
21:29
in me, and I thought that the criticism that Tom Watson
21:33
received as captain was just really, it wasn't fair.
21:37
Again, I get back to how bad we got beat,
21:39
and the thing was hard for me on that Sunday night
21:42
at the Ryder Cup is that I felt like I had gotten
21:45
to know Phil Mickelson pretty well.
21:48
I liked Phil.
21:49
I felt like we had become friends, and then for me
21:52
to sit there and watch two guys that I had a lot
21:54
of respect for, two guys that I considered to be friends
21:57
and to see what was taking place there was tough.
22:02
So when Poulter came out with his book,
22:04
No Limits, and he criticized Faldo and he also
22:08
criticized Tom for some decisions he made at Gleneagles,
22:12
for me, I guess it must have been the straw
22:15
that broke the camel's back, and I sent those
22:17
social media posts out, and it was kind of funny
22:21
because I got up to Nick's house and Leslie Ann Wade,
22:25
his girlfriend came out and she said,
22:27
Hey, Nick is in the bedroom and he's laughing
22:30
like crazy at what you said about Poulter,
22:32
and I thought, okay, the fun's on and we got back down
22:37
to the Greenbrier and I got a call from Julius Mason,
22:39
our PR guy at the PGA of America,
22:42
and even he was kind of jovial, and he said,
22:44
Hey, so you and Poulter are just having a good back
22:47
and forth, and I said, You know, that's kind of what
22:50
it intended to be on my part, but I said,
22:53
I don't think it's working out that way,
22:56
and I said, I didn't even think about this but
22:59
some people are saying, for those who don't know,
23:01
I called Ian Poulter a little girl,
23:03
and people said that I was sexist because I did that,
23:07
and I immediately took the post down,
23:09
and I knew I had a problem and I wanted to apologize
23:13
right out of the gate, would've liked to have done
23:15
it that night actually, but I followed
23:17
the PGA of America's advice.
23:19
They had been right every time we had talked about
23:22
anything from a media relation standpoint,
23:24
and that's probably one of the biggest regrets
23:27
that I have now is that I just didn't do what I knew
23:29
in my heart that I should've done.
23:31
Yeah, in hindsight, you never know how these things
23:34
are gonna snowball and what are the hot button,
23:38
sort of issues people are gonna grab on to.
23:41
Yeah, you know that was a pretty
23:46
dumb tweet to send out.
23:47
(laughs) I was trying to think, what's a nice way
23:49
of saying, that was a dumb tweet.
23:51
I'll just say it.
23:52
Ted's no holds barred.
23:54
That was a dumb tweet, and I think a lot of us
23:55
that were seeing it were like, oh, that's probably
23:57
not the sharpest thing to do, but the sort of outrage
24:01
that snowballed after that, I think caught a lot of people
24:04
in the industry off guard and you were right
24:07
in the middle of it.
24:08
How did you deal with that?
24:10
Did you kind of learn who your friends are?
24:13
(laughs) Oh yeah.
24:16
Good thing you've been nice to your wife
24:17
for so long 'cause that's gotta be your wingman
24:20
on all this stuff.
24:21
Well, no, that's true, and I think that
24:23
my family, my wife and my two daughters,
24:25
they probably took it harder than I did.
24:29
It was really difficult on them,
24:31
and there's a whole range of emotions that you
24:34
go through when something like that happens.
24:36
If you're me, it goes anywhere from frustration
24:41
to stupidity to regrets to anger to,
24:46
you're just all over the board,
24:48
and it really took me probably about six weeks
24:53
to kind of get in a good place, and I had a friend of mine
24:55
who I had gone to high school with, Greg Fisher,
24:57
and he came down and visited me in December and he said,
25:01
Hey a bunch of guys I work with have got an idea.
25:03
We'd love to do a deal.
25:05
We're gonna call it the Mulligan Open next summer,
25:07
and it's gonna be based around raising money for charities,
25:10
and the theme is gonna be giving people a second chance,
25:13
and we wanna give you the dinner that you should've had
25:16
at the annual meeting and do all that stuff
25:18
and commemorate your time as President
25:20
of the PGA of America, and then Tom Watson
25:22
and Steve Stricker and Tim Finchem
25:24
all came out to that dinner.
25:26
Alex Miceli emceed it.
25:28
So that was kind of one of those things that,
25:31
it was really good for me.
25:33
It kind of gave me something positive to look forward
25:35
to and to think about, and then a month after that dinner,
25:39
the PGA of America called Tom Watson and let him know
25:44
that he had been elected into the PGA of America
25:47
Hall of Fame, and he respectfully declined to go into
25:51
the Hall of Fame based on the way that Tom felt
25:56
they had treated me unfairly,
25:58
and I don't know in my lifetime,
26:00
Harry, if anybody outside of my family really ever
26:04
showed me a gesture of friendship
26:06
like Tom did there and I said in the dedication
26:09
to my book the last line is that my friendship
26:13
with Tom Watson means more to me probably than
26:16
anything that I've accomplished in golf.
26:18
Yeah, it's really sad that really well-intended people
26:22
on all sides of this sort of how it had to come down
26:26
and it's a little interesting now because what was seen
26:31
as very provocative and sort of controversial
26:34
then, well now, it's kind of en vogue
26:37
to be politically incorrect, as we all know,
26:39
and I'm one that hates all of these media outlets
26:43
that are using Donald Trump to support and prop up
26:46
their own ratings.
26:47
Don't you guys hate that?
26:48
So you could imagine how I feel when we're about to do it.
26:50
(audience laughs)
26:52
So, here we go.
26:53
This is Who Said It.
26:54
We're gonna play a little audience participation game.
26:56
Trump or Ted?
26:57
Ted's a little outspoken,
26:59
the Donald's a little outspoken.
27:00
So we have some quotes, and we need you guys to vote
27:02
who said this, Donald or Ted.
27:04
Ted, I'm curious to know if you even know
27:07
if whether you said these things or not.
27:09
So here we go.
27:10
The first one, and this is on his golf course.
27:13
You guys know Ted owns a golf course
27:15
in Indiana, 45 holes.
27:17
Donald owns a golf course, and here he is.
27:18
I have the very best golf courses in the best places.
27:22
When my course opened up, I get $475 a round.
27:26
It's just been so successful.
27:28
Was that Ted or was that Donald?
27:31
No Teds?
27:34
Oh, there's one Ted back there.
27:35
Ted did you say that?
27:36
Do you get $475 (mumbles)?
27:37
No, I get $49 (mumbles).
27:40
(laughs)
27:41
I think that was Trump.
27:43
I think he was talking about (mumbles).
27:45
Trump?
27:46
Okay, we'll just say that's Trump.
27:47
Alright, that was Trump.
27:49
I'm hearing my ear.
27:50
That was definitely Trump.
27:50
Alright, the next one.
27:51
This is about growing the game.
27:54
It's a subject very passionate to all of us here.
27:56
Who said this, Trump or Ted?
27:59
Let it be aspirational instead of bringing it down
28:01
by trying to get players to do it
28:02
when they're 15 years old.
28:04
I have no idea what that means actually.
28:05
and they're also learning other sports.
28:07
I think it's very damaging to the game.
28:09
That doesn't sound like something Ted would say.
28:11
I think that's a Donald.
28:12
Donald?
28:13
Who said that?
28:14
Donald or Ted?
28:15
There's another Ted.
28:16
You guys are getting a lot of votes back there
28:17
from the group.
28:18
(mumbles) Ted.
28:20
You think that?
28:21
Nope, that was actually Donald.
28:22
That's good 'cause I didn't understand what that meant.
28:24
(laughs)
28:26
To be fair, I don't understand half the things,
28:27
like I said.
28:28
So, alright, next one.
28:30
This is on global warming.
28:31
That's also a topic very passionate,
28:33
Ted's very passionate about.
28:35
There is no drought.
28:37
Do you guys see that?
28:38
California, we know that Trump just said it.
28:40
Ted said (mumbles) make sense of that.
28:42
That was Trump, he was just here in California,
28:43
no drought.
28:44
When he arrived, it was raining today.
28:46
So maybe he was right.
28:47
Alright, next issue.
28:48
Next issue!
28:50
This one is on nutrition in America.
28:53
That's also something Ted's very passionate about.
28:56
Did Ted say this or Trump?
28:58
I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.
29:01
Anyone?
29:02
Anyone?
29:02
Trump?
29:03
Oh, thanks Amanda, appreciate that.
29:05
It's really nice of you.
29:08
I think that had to be Trump.
29:10
None of these are you Ted.
29:11
Are you noticing that?
29:12
Nothing controversial.
29:15
Couple of more, see who we got here.
29:18
This is on social media.
29:19
This is something we just talked about.
29:21
Ted, My Twitter has become so powerful
29:24
that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.
29:27
Ted, no?
29:29
(audience laughs)
29:30
Trump?
29:31
That was Trump.
29:32
That was definitely Trump.
29:35
Okay, I'm gonna have a sip of this Diet Coke
29:37
'cause I'm fat.
29:38
(audience laughs)
29:40
On golf course cuisine,
29:42
and this one you should know 'cause this comes
29:43
straight from your book.
29:45
My course has the best hot dogs in the world.
29:47
I don't know how they do it, but they're the best.
29:49
That was a funny segment in your book.
29:52
Tell us about that one.
29:54
Well, we had played at Trump Bedminster
29:58
and I had gotten there before he did and had lunch
30:01
and had a hot dog and it really was a great hot dog
30:03
and when we were playing, I was riding with Mr. Trump
30:06
and he asked me if I had lunch and I said,
30:08
Yeah, I had one of those hot dogs.
30:10
I said, Man, those were great hot dogs,
30:12
and so when we got done, we had about an hour
30:14
before he had to leave.
30:15
He was going to take his wife to a Steven Tyler concert.
30:19
So we go up into the men's locker room
30:21
at Trump Bedminster, and they've got grill area up there.
30:24
So he orders a platter of hot dogs,
30:27
and there was five of us and I think they brought
30:29
out like 20 hot dogs, and so we kind of dabbled in those
30:33
hot dogs and the next week,
30:36
I got a box UPSed
30:39
from Trump Bedminster and he had sent me
30:42
a case of these hot dogs.
30:44
Were they like from Costco or what?
30:46
Where'd you get them?
30:46
They were Best Brand hot dogs.
30:49
Best Brand hot dogs, there you go.
30:50
They were, they were the best hot dogs
30:52
I've ever had on a golf course.
30:54
Well, I'm gonna challenge that 'cause right after
30:55
the show, I'm gonna take you out for hot dogs,
30:57
but we wanted to thank Ted for being here.
30:59
Thanks so much Ted. Thanks sir.
31:00
Best of luck for everything on the book
31:02
and we really appreciate you being here.
31:05
(audience applauds)
31:05
Thanks.
31:06
We will see you next week on Callaway Live.
31:08
Thanks for watching everybody. Thank you.
31:11
Ted Bishop. Thanks.
31:13
(audience applauds)
31:18
Thanks everybody. Thank you.
31:23
Ted Bishop, that's my man Ted.
31:24
(electronic music)
31:29
Thank you. Did you have fun?
31:30
Yeah. Yeah, thanks for doing it.
31:33
I saved some Diet Coke for you.
31:36
(electronic music)
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